Joker Director Finally Explains That Last Crucial Scene

  • Published: 09 October 2019
  • Arthur Fleck's biggest joke just might be the one he pulled on you. Joker director Todd Phillips recently made a few very interesting comments to the Los Angeles Times about the final scene of the movie comments that imply a bizarre truth about the story being presented. In case that's not warning enough, be advised that major spoilers for Joker lie ahead.

    Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur is depicted early and often as having a tenuous grip on reality. The film eventually lets on that it's not always clear which events are fantasy and which are reality not to the audience, and presumably not to Arthur.

    At the end, Arthur is seen with his psychiatrist in Arkham State Hospital after he has apparently killed his mother, incited a riot, shot Murray Franklin on live television, and escaped from police custody with the help of his clown-masked followers. As the shrink attempts to question him, Arthur simply laughs, telling her that she wouldn't get the joke. According to Phillips, it's this particular laugh that might hold a clue about the true nature of the story that just unfolded. He explained,

    "That laugh in that scene is really the only time he laughs genuinely. There are different laughs in the movie. There is the laugh from Arthur's affliction and then there is his fake laugh when he's trying to be 'one of the people,' which is my favorite laugh. But at the end, when he's in the room at Arkham State Hospital, that's his only genuine laugh in the movie."

    Why is that, exactly? Well, perhaps because in the end, the joke is on us, the audience. Phillips has said that one of the main influences on his film was The Killing Joke, the acclaimed 1988 graphic novel in which the Joker says that if he must have a past, he, quote, "[prefers] it to be multiple choice." The director made a direct allusion to this dialogue in suggesting that as many fans have speculated Arthur Fleck might not necessarily be who we think he is. Phillips said,

    "There are lots of ways you could look at this movie. You could look at it and go, 'This is just one of his multiple-choice stories. None of it happened.' I don't want to say what it is. But a lot of people I've shown it to have said, 'Oh, I get it he's just made up a story. The whole movie is the joke. It's this thing this guy in Arkham Asylum concocted. He might not even be the Joker.'"

    Phillips went on to state outright that the man who will become Batman's nemesis may simply be in the background somewhere, watching all of these events play out. He said,

    "Maybe Joaquin's character inspired the Joker. You don't really know. His last line in the movie is, 'You wouldn't get it.' There's a lot going on in there that's interesting."

    Phoenix himself also explained that Joker can be seen not so much as a straightforward narrative, but as a series of suggestions. Keep watching the video to see that the Joker director finally explains that last crucial scene!

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  • Looper
    Looper   1 weeks back

    How much of Joker do you think really happened in the movie? Which parts?

    • John Galt
      John Galt  5 hours back

      for all intents for the purposes of the character, EVERYTHING happened, if only in his mind.

    • slimturnpike
      slimturnpike  10 hours back

      None of it. He's in the asylum the whole time.

    • dasein
      dasein  13 hours back

      @Joseph Bernard interesting points. Anyhow, Arthur would not make sense as Batman's nemesis.

    • dasein
      dasein  13 hours back

      @Paranoid0147 good points but if the riots didn't happen, then Thomas and Martha Wayne weren't killed, and Bruce wasn't orphaned. Arthur had to inspire the riots and they had to really happen.

    • dasein
      dasein  13 hours back

      @Tyler Frederick good point

  • Terror Of Death
    Terror Of Death  17 minutes back

    I think he died in the fridge.

    • alzauri fatahillah
      alzauri fatahillah  27 minutes back

      The theory that "Joachin" Joker is only an inspiration for the real Joker kinda makes sense. He has ignited the clowns (criminal community) in which from the group then aroused the real Joker. Arthur Fleck interacted with Bruce Wayne when Bruce Wayne still a kid. If This Joker is real Joker, in the future he must be addressing Batman some clue about their interaction in the past. Because there's also a theory that Joker actually knows who Batman is but he prefers not to care.
      In this Movie, Wayne maybe at his 10, while Joker is 40. when Batman became Batman (in his 30), Joker must be 60 (if we assume that this Joker is The Joker). I think it will be more reasonable if Batman 30, then Joker was 40.
      For me, it is true that this Joker is actually an inspiration for the real Joker.

      • Benjámin Kurilla
        Benjámin Kurilla  47 minutes back

        But there is a reason why Arthur was institutionalised. Also he just might think her psychiatrist wouldn't understand, because she never did in the first place.

        • HI EVERYONE
          HI EVERYONE  2 hours back

          Heath Ledger played a great role before his passing, but this film and actor will surpass that other version. My favorite is still 89's Batman w Nicholson and Keaton.

          • Joey Stanley
            Joey Stanley  3 hours back

            At the end of it all he still ain’t as intelligent as the heath ledger joker and now he better sit and wait cause uncle Batman’s growing up lol jk

            • Naufal Muhammad Haiqal
              Naufal Muhammad Haiqal  3 hours back

              wait, if the man who we see in the taxi was the man who all along pull the trigger of the riots and bring Fleck in, then he maybe one of the potential Joker...

              • Joey Stanley
                Joey Stanley  3 hours back

                Love Dc comics but I wish they’d put it all together like The MCU does. Still waiting on robin’s character to show up after the dark night . And I wished they keep the same characters everyone always has to compare who does better at acting and what not ..

                • Cody
                  Cody  3 hours back

                  Bruh, WE NEED to see Joaquin's Joker vs Pattinson's Batman! That is just begging for something amazing to happen!

                  • VobisPacem
                    VobisPacem  4 hours back

                    Arthur already announced on live TV that he is a villain character joker, and everyone in that world already watched it firsthand.
                    So if another person comes out to claim the name joker it wouldn't work.

                    • Luis Romo
                      Luis Romo  4 hours back

                      Not joker? Wack that's the real one in this universe I agree tho wouldn't fit well with bad man

                      • Jason Paul Elder
                        Jason Paul Elder  4 hours back

                        I think it's a brilliantly profound film that shouldn't be made into something deeper than it already is. If it were all a delusion, especially with the premise of it inspiring the real Joker to come, it would be overkill in my opinion.

                        There's already a degree of obvious delusion or fantasizing at times with Arthur, but it really appears to me that the audience is allowed into his mental deterioration enough to see the many facets to it. This is why there are times to feel sympathetic, supportive, alarmed, and entertained by his transformation.

                        As for the last line, saying that the therapist wouldn't get the joke, I just took that as in - even as a worker in a psych ward (and based on his previous experience in being observed), his mental condition - locked firmly into identity of the Joker - would be over her head to comprehend.

                        This makes the most sense to me because there's a heightened degree of non-nonsense confidence in his being the Joker.

                        • Rohit das
                          Rohit das  5 hours back

                          JOKER GIRLFRIEND I THINK IS ILLUSION

                          • smago88
                            smago88  5 hours back

                            So the joke is, I went to see the movie Joker. But maybe I didn’t see the Joker Movie? Hmmm my head hurts now.

                            • John Galt
                              John Galt  5 hours back

                              What a testament to Pheonix and his acting. That there are so many interpretations of the movie is testament of his acting. Everything he does turns to gold.

                              • joey cruz
                                joey cruz  7 hours back

                                Woww cant this guy just explain the dam movie?? Your not david lynch bro cut the bullshit and explain the confusing end to your movie!!!

                                • TheQuatum
                                  TheQuatum  7 hours back

                                  Tbh the director should have kept his mouth shut. The movie is great, we don't need him to explain it. When you explain a joke, it's no longer funny.

                                  • Autistic Spice
                                    Autistic Spice  8 hours back

                                    i feel like Joker’s relationship with Sophie could have been real, esp if it weren’t for the weird “were you following me to work” bit, but she was understandably scared when he showed up unannounced & it creeped her out that night. He could’ve been crying because of how rejected he felt when she asked him to leave her apt.

                                    • Redgle
                                      Redgle  9 hours back

                                      The whole "all in his head" theory will only be a detriment to the movie imo... I really hope they don't go that route

                                      • slimturnpike
                                        slimturnpike  10 hours back

                                        Obviously Fleck is in the asylum the whole time

                                        • Ricardum
                                          Ricardum  11 hours back

                                          All the plot of the film is in Arthur head because the murder in subway didn't happenig, ARTHUR HAD A SIX SHOOT SMALL GUN AND HE SHOOTED EIGHT TIMES WHEN HE KILL THE ASSHOLES IN THE SUBWAY, WITH OUT RELOAD ONCE. SO IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. ALL THE MOVIE DEVELOPS AROUND THIS MURDERS SO, NEED I SAY MORE?!
                                          Ergo: It was only a crazy desulion, and a completly lost of my time. I hate that kind of end.

                                          PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG, SOMEBOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                          • Halo Genisys
                                            Halo Genisys  11 hours back

                                            More the merrier more to come murder me. Hey.

                                            • killoreo
                                              killoreo  12 hours back

                                              Its definately the THE Joker, what is reality and what is not is the joke.

                                              • Sasho
                                                Sasho  13 hours back

                                                Basically my favourite year 5 story ending : “it was all a dream”

                                                • Darkness God
                                                  Darkness God  13 hours back

                                                  Ha I knew it. They were using Killing Joke References.

                                                  • 420PraiseIt
                                                    420PraiseIt  13 hours back

                                                    Looper people how dense are you. The final scene with the bloody footprints gives it away. He incited the violence and chaos. All may not be true but his actions truly inspired THE joker who will walk on his bloody footsteps, thus creating the comic persona we know.
                                                    Do they teach no literature in murica?Everything was a dream is a bad cliche and I hope from the bottom of my heart they aren't illiterate enough to pull that kind of bullshit

                                                    • S Lyons
                                                      S Lyons  14 hours back

                                                      This just made me depressed

                                                      • Chug Taylor
                                                        Chug Taylor  14 hours back

                                                        It’s cool to think that Joaquin Phoenix’s character broke the 4th wall & played a joke on us the viewer.

                                                        • James Feltis
                                                          James Feltis  15 hours back

                                                          Id definately watch a sequel that movie was awesome

                                                          • deadterrorrist
                                                            deadterrorrist  15 hours back

                                                            I noticed something interesting. As far as I am aware, the true killer clown never introduced himself as just Joker. He always was THE Joker. I think that Arthur is not the one.

                                                            • Luis Vasquez
                                                              Luis Vasquez  15 hours back

                                                              I kinda of think that if the director/cast directly tells us how to interpret it, it defeats the purpose. If there is a sequel then we will have a better idea of what was real vs fake. Until then, all this speculation is interesting because they included support for many conspiracy theories

                                                              • Ibras Bagby
                                                                Ibras Bagby  16 hours back

                                                                They should make a reboot of the whole series in this dark, brutal tone and world

                                                                • Sprawka ART
                                                                  Sprawka ART  16 hours back

                                                                  Really? I though when he said "you wouldn't get it" in the end scene, he was thinking about the irony of Wayne's parents being killed by people wearing clown's masks, as Tomas Wayne was the one who called working class people "clowns" after joker killed those guys in the subway.
                                                                  It doesnt matter at the end of the day if this Joker was a real story or a made up story, at the end of the day- it's all just a story anyway, its content is what counts.

                                                                  • awsomespecs
                                                                    awsomespecs  17 hours back

                                                                    if he isnt the joker il kind of be sad

                                                                    • The Plains Jam
                                                                      The Plains Jam  17 hours back

                                                                      I actually find this theory something that I'm interested in.

                                                                      • Ákos Kőszegi
                                                                        Ákos Kőszegi  17 hours back

                                                                        The movie was 10/11 for me. But that las lt scene was.... meh. I hope it doesn't means that the whole story happened in Arthur's head. I love twists, but this would only kill the whole story which was - for me - perfect. The scene where Arthurt became the leader of the rebelleion, where he became Joker and the chaos itself - that should've been the perfect ending. We didn't need the last 3 minutes even if it was a hint for the (later) Batman movies or wanted to be another twist.
                                                                        However, this is the best film I've ever seen and I hope it will get an Oscar. This movie is too dark (and real) for any movie of the Marvel universe, but is also so much better 😂😅

                                                                        • Nightly
                                                                          Nightly  18 hours back

                                                                          It’s a joker movie based on a character that has no real 100% true backstory that’s why they did that in this movie because in the comics it’s always been like that even In the dark knight heath ledger is always changing up his story as to how he got his scars. You can tell who the casual fans are thinking that they were going to get a clear cut origin of the joker lol

                                                                          • Orlando SOrozco
                                                                            Orlando SOrozco  19 hours back

                                                                            In the “The Killing Joke” Arthur Fleck actually becomes the Joker, so if the movie was highly influenced by the graphic novel, then I assume that in the movie Arthur Fleck is the authentic Joker too.

                                                                            • Mark Higuera
                                                                              Mark Higuera  19 hours back

                                                                              Dam if the whole movie was just a lie tho dam some crazy shit

                                                                              • AV51631.92
                                                                                AV51631.92  19 hours back

                                                                                I think him in Arkham is in the future and he was remembering him becoming joker and he was laughing because he realized he made Batman

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                                                                                  • KhenpoDub
                                                                                    KhenpoDub  20 hours back

                                                                                    My theory is: All that happens in the movie is real (except of course his relationship with his neighbour). The Last Scene happens way after the timeline of the movie. After the whole protests, he gets arrested and his put in Arkham hospital. This would explain why it looks like there is a huge age gap between Bruce Wayne and him, when in reality, who knows, maybe the whole storyline in the movie happened in his twenties.

                                                                                  • Click Bait
                                                                                    Click Bait  21 hours back

                                                                                    It doesn't matter what happened and what didn't. The idea of the Joker is predicated on a movement. A rebellion of sorts. All of the sequences may have been exaggerated, or not. But Jokers story carries on right to the next person who takes on the Joker persona. He speaks for the forgotten, the looked over, the unwanted and uses violence to make people see them again.

                                                                                    • ninux
                                                                                      ninux  21 hours back

                                                                                      That's just silly.

                                                                                      • JD
                                                                                        JD  21 hours back

                                                                                        He is perfectly ok saying that until the studio turns around and tells him.. put Batman in the movie 🤣

                                                                                        • Samasoku
                                                                                          Samasoku  22 hours back

                                                                                          thats just dumb .you cant make a character and call him joker and then turn around saying "wasnt really him tho lolol just a random psycho"

                                                                                          • Marco Ramirez
                                                                                            Marco Ramirez  22 hours back

                                                                                            How come your explaining it not the director ?

                                                                                            • Conor Geraghty
                                                                                              Conor Geraghty  22 hours back

                                                                                              I don’t like the idea at all that Arthur is the inspiration for the future joker, however the idea that he made it all/elements of it up makes perfect sense in my eyes.

                                                                                              The joker is renowned for being of such a high intellect (which Arthur isn’t particularly), so it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the joker in the final scene is just making this story up as a way of toying with the interviewer or psychiatrist or whatever she is. Also, every single time Arthur killed in the past it was for a reason, whereas the implied final kill in Arkham would have just been killing for the sake of it - a very joker thing to do.
                                                                                              We also know that the joker has no origin story and Arthur fleck is not a name that has ever been mentioned in the past in comics, so again it makes sense to me that this isn’t a genuine back story and is something which he has just created as it would seem feasible to a psychiatrist that this is why he became the joker.
                                                                                              Just my interpretation for what it’s worth